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		<title>Comment on Want lower tuition? Ask your profs about $97,000 pensions. by mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most profs I know now start their career $100K+ in debt from the costs of tuition. Don&#039;t you think that the salaries that professors receive must be able to pay off the 14+ years of post-secondary education that are required to obtain the position?  Or do you REALLY think that clever people are going to put themselves $100K+ in debt for a $40K a year, 60-hour a week job?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most profs I know now start their career $100K+ in debt from the costs of tuition. Don&#8217;t you think that the salaries that professors receive must be able to pay off the 14+ years of post-secondary education that are required to obtain the position?  Or do you REALLY think that clever people are going to put themselves $100K+ in debt for a $40K a year, 60-hour a week job?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Want lower tuition? Ask your profs about $97,000 pensions. by Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a staff member at Dalhousie. I haven&#039;t even been working full-time for a year yet, and I should agree to paying in more money to pensions? Not just for me, but to cover the mistakes made by Dal? No way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a staff member at Dalhousie. I haven&#8217;t even been working full-time for a year yet, and I should agree to paying in more money to pensions? Not just for me, but to cover the mistakes made by Dal? No way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on McGill occupation ends with new protocol by Free_Trade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free_Trade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 01:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They can voice their opposition, but they have to do it with their own money. No student should be forced to pay in order to support views he/she opposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can voice their opposition, but they have to do it with their own money. No student should be forced to pay in order to support views he/she opposes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Want lower tuition? Ask your profs about $97,000 pensions. by Student</title>
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		<dc:creator>Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 00:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free_Trade: privately funded research would be wonderful... except for one major flaw. Privately funded research has a nasty habit of only producing research results which support its agenda. Sometimes that agenda is a great one, sometimes it isn&#039;t. Are you willing to take that risk? I&#039;m sure not. 
As for your belief that a PhD is narrow and too focused to be of any use as a teacher, I disagree. A PhD gives you very valuable skills beyond those in your research field. Ability to multi-task (since you do many inter-related projects, conferences, etc.), drive and determination (helpful when teaching students who will often frustrate and stump you), planning and execution (of utmost importance when planning and teaching a class)... I could go on. 

I also disagree that research does not help in teaching undergrad lectures because it is &quot;too advanced&quot;. In order to reach that level of advanced research, your understanding of the &quot;basics&quot; must be excellent. And I&#039;d say an excellent understanding of &quot;basic&quot; concepts (which will be taught to undergrads) is helpful. And the comment of yours I find most offensive is that profs don&#039;t give a damn about undergrads.

I feel sad that you must have had ALL the bad apples teach you. Obviously there will be some profs who, as you say, &quot;don&#039;t give a damn&quot; about undergraduates. But as a double major in Biology and English, I have had only 1 professor in my entire university experience who gave me that impression. And they didn&#039;t even have tenure... My honours supervisor has been instrumental in helping me with the graduate school process, spending hours with me talking pros and cons of different programs or job options, comforting me when I felt frustrated. He has also spent countless hours with me in the lab, explaining protocols and ensuring I felt confident. All of my professors have been delighted to help me either with course work, or in my general pursuit of knowledge. They may be gruff, or critical, but never did they give me the idea that they &quot;didn&#039;t give a damn&quot;. I think it is grossly unfair to generalize all professors this negatively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free_Trade: privately funded research would be wonderful&#8230; except for one major flaw. Privately funded research has a nasty habit of only producing research results which support its agenda. Sometimes that agenda is a great one, sometimes it isn&#8217;t. Are you willing to take that risk? I&#8217;m sure not.<br />
As for your belief that a PhD is narrow and too focused to be of any use as a teacher, I disagree. A PhD gives you very valuable skills beyond those in your research field. Ability to multi-task (since you do many inter-related projects, conferences, etc.), drive and determination (helpful when teaching students who will often frustrate and stump you), planning and execution (of utmost importance when planning and teaching a class)&#8230; I could go on. </p>
<p>I also disagree that research does not help in teaching undergrad lectures because it is &#8220;too advanced&#8221;. In order to reach that level of advanced research, your understanding of the &#8220;basics&#8221; must be excellent. And I&#8217;d say an excellent understanding of &#8220;basic&#8221; concepts (which will be taught to undergrads) is helpful. And the comment of yours I find most offensive is that profs don&#8217;t give a damn about undergrads.</p>
<p>I feel sad that you must have had ALL the bad apples teach you. Obviously there will be some profs who, as you say, &#8220;don&#8217;t give a damn&#8221; about undergraduates. But as a double major in Biology and English, I have had only 1 professor in my entire university experience who gave me that impression. And they didn&#8217;t even have tenure&#8230; My honours supervisor has been instrumental in helping me with the graduate school process, spending hours with me talking pros and cons of different programs or job options, comforting me when I felt frustrated. He has also spent countless hours with me in the lab, explaining protocols and ensuring I felt confident. All of my professors have been delighted to help me either with course work, or in my general pursuit of knowledge. They may be gruff, or critical, but never did they give me the idea that they &#8220;didn&#8217;t give a damn&#8221;. I think it is grossly unfair to generalize all professors this negatively.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Want lower tuition? Ask your profs about $97,000 pensions. by ABarlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>ABarlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the very long run, the professor can make more than the teacher or nurse, who have lower salary and job security. But it does take a very long time, and it is a risky road.&quot;

And you don&#039;t believe that the compensation professors receive should reflect the fact that the path to get their is very difficult and risky?

Out of curiousity, how do you see this as different from, say, a medical doctor? Both are paid from public funds, both provide public services, both go through very difficult and extensive training programs (although becoming a tenured professor takes much longer), and both ultimately receive fairly good compensation at the end of it (although a doctor&#039;s salary can top a professor&#039;s by a factor of 5, depending on specialty).

&quot;If these profs. are doing such a great job educating our students and helping them find good jobs, why would they even need gov’t funding? Tuition alone would pay for their salaries. Private loans would be easily available to poorer students.&quot;

So you want higher tuition fees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the very long run, the professor can make more than the teacher or nurse, who have lower salary and job security. But it does take a very long time, and it is a risky road.&#8221;</p>
<p>And you don&#8217;t believe that the compensation professors receive should reflect the fact that the path to get their is very difficult and risky?</p>
<p>Out of curiousity, how do you see this as different from, say, a medical doctor? Both are paid from public funds, both provide public services, both go through very difficult and extensive training programs (although becoming a tenured professor takes much longer), and both ultimately receive fairly good compensation at the end of it (although a doctor&#8217;s salary can top a professor&#8217;s by a factor of 5, depending on specialty).</p>
<p>&#8220;If these profs. are doing such a great job educating our students and helping them find good jobs, why would they even need gov’t funding? Tuition alone would pay for their salaries. Private loans would be easily available to poorer students.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you want higher tuition fees?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stop lecturing students by Stella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jason,

No, no, I&#039;m afraid you&#039;ve misunderstood me -- I absolutely believe that it is the student&#039;s choice whether or not to attend lectures, and I have always disagreed with mandatory attendance. I have missed many lectures myself over the course of my degree so far, and like you have still managed to get top marks. My point is that if you ARE in lecture, the least you can do is show some common courtesy towards both the professor and your fellow students by keeping the distractions to a minimum. This is just basic manners we&#039;re talking about here, not about being &quot;good little school girls [that] fold our hands over our crossed legs to be prim and proper&quot;. 

I&#039;m afraid I don&#039;t agree with your comment that the longest we can focus on a lecture is 20 minutes. That&#039;s been &quot;proven&quot; by who, exactly? If 20 minutes is the longest someone can focus on someone else&#039;s ideas and information, then we&#039;re all in a lot of trouble -- most meeting presentations and conferences in any field last for far longer than 20 minutes (and these can often feel like a lecture, format-wise). 

&quot;Really, if someone’s Facebook prevents you from focusing, you weren’t that interested to begin with.&quot; Not true -- it&#039;s the sea of laptops all constantly flashing different graphics and colours at any given time that gets distracting. And for what it&#039;s worth, I have been in lectures where the professor was forced to interrupt his/her lecture to ask someone to stop constantly fooling with their phone because it was a distraction even for them there at the front.

I completely agree with your sentiment of &quot;It&#039;s my life and my education&quot;. All the power to you, Jason: go to class when/if you want to, and devote as much time and effort to your projects as you see fit. The professors aren&#039;t there to hold your hand or boss you around, and neither am I or anyone else. All I ask is that when you&#039;re in a learning environment, make the effort to learn instead of turning it into your own private computer lab, arcade, or texting session. There&#039;s a time and a place for everything -- that was my point, really. 

Anyway, I did enjoy reading your response, and wish you luck in all your future endeavours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jason,</p>
<p>No, no, I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;ve misunderstood me &#8212; I absolutely believe that it is the student&#8217;s choice whether or not to attend lectures, and I have always disagreed with mandatory attendance. I have missed many lectures myself over the course of my degree so far, and like you have still managed to get top marks. My point is that if you ARE in lecture, the least you can do is show some common courtesy towards both the professor and your fellow students by keeping the distractions to a minimum. This is just basic manners we&#8217;re talking about here, not about being &#8220;good little school girls [that] fold our hands over our crossed legs to be prim and proper&#8221;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid I don&#8217;t agree with your comment that the longest we can focus on a lecture is 20 minutes. That&#8217;s been &#8220;proven&#8221; by who, exactly? If 20 minutes is the longest someone can focus on someone else&#8217;s ideas and information, then we&#8217;re all in a lot of trouble &#8212; most meeting presentations and conferences in any field last for far longer than 20 minutes (and these can often feel like a lecture, format-wise). </p>
<p>&#8220;Really, if someone’s Facebook prevents you from focusing, you weren’t that interested to begin with.&#8221; Not true &#8212; it&#8217;s the sea of laptops all constantly flashing different graphics and colours at any given time that gets distracting. And for what it&#8217;s worth, I have been in lectures where the professor was forced to interrupt his/her lecture to ask someone to stop constantly fooling with their phone because it was a distraction even for them there at the front.</p>
<p>I completely agree with your sentiment of &#8220;It&#8217;s my life and my education&#8221;. All the power to you, Jason: go to class when/if you want to, and devote as much time and effort to your projects as you see fit. The professors aren&#8217;t there to hold your hand or boss you around, and neither am I or anyone else. All I ask is that when you&#8217;re in a learning environment, make the effort to learn instead of turning it into your own private computer lab, arcade, or texting session. There&#8217;s a time and a place for everything &#8212; that was my point, really. </p>
<p>Anyway, I did enjoy reading your response, and wish you luck in all your future endeavours.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Want lower tuition? Ask your profs about $97,000 pensions. by Free_Trade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free_Trade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Josh Dehaas, thank you for raising this issue. Despite some minor inaccuracies, it does raise public attention on an important and often ignored issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Josh Dehaas, thank you for raising this issue. Despite some minor inaccuracies, it does raise public attention on an important and often ignored issue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Want lower tuition? Ask your profs about $97,000 pensions. by Free_Trade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free_Trade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may not be in the top 1% based on salary alone, but when all your benefits are taken into account, there&#039;s certainly a good case for it:
(1) Once you get tenure, you have a guaranteed job for life, and it&#039;s almost impossible to fire you, even if you do a poor job
(2) Most universities are getting rid of the mandatory retirement age, which means you can keep working well past 65. Since you have tenure, you don&#039;t have to worry about getting fired for performance reasons.
(3) You won&#039;t be transferred to a different cities, so it&#039;s good for raising children.
All of this is either at the public&#039;s expense, or at undergrads&#039; expense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may not be in the top 1% based on salary alone, but when all your benefits are taken into account, there&#8217;s certainly a good case for it:<br />
(1) Once you get tenure, you have a guaranteed job for life, and it&#8217;s almost impossible to fire you, even if you do a poor job<br />
(2) Most universities are getting rid of the mandatory retirement age, which means you can keep working well past 65. Since you have tenure, you don&#8217;t have to worry about getting fired for performance reasons.<br />
(3) You won&#8217;t be transferred to a different cities, so it&#8217;s good for raising children.<br />
All of this is either at the public&#8217;s expense, or at undergrads&#8217; expense.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Want lower tuition? Ask your profs about $97,000 pensions. by Free_Trade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free_Trade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to be arguing that the gov&#039;t should pay for research because research is done for the public benefit. There are two problems with this theory:
(1) A lot of research is applied research, whose ultimate aim is to create marketable technologies. These can be funded by private investors.
(2) Even with basic research, the work that is done with Canadian funding is available to the whole world, not just to Canadians. So why should Canadian taxpayers be forced to pay for something that benefits everyone all over the world? The fact is that if attracting the best researchers brings real gains to Canada, then private companies and institutes would attract those researchers, and no public funding is necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to be arguing that the gov&#8217;t should pay for research because research is done for the public benefit. There are two problems with this theory:<br />
(1) A lot of research is applied research, whose ultimate aim is to create marketable technologies. These can be funded by private investors.<br />
(2) Even with basic research, the work that is done with Canadian funding is available to the whole world, not just to Canadians. So why should Canadian taxpayers be forced to pay for something that benefits everyone all over the world? The fact is that if attracting the best researchers brings real gains to Canada, then private companies and institutes would attract those researchers, and no public funding is necessary.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stop lecturing students by Gilky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30 years ago when I was a Kings University College in London Ont. we had a very different experience. Classes were mostly under 40 people and there was constant discussion about every point made. We had to take several of our coarses at the&quot; main U&quot;.A mile away at UWO There were hundreds of people in the lecture theater.  Talk about dreary. It was a complete opposite to our classes at Kings. So Maby if you want a particular type of teaching you need to do research and find the right school. Talk to your high school guidance councilor, that&#039;s their job. This is how I ended up at Kings in 1979.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30 years ago when I was a Kings University College in London Ont. we had a very different experience. Classes were mostly under 40 people and there was constant discussion about every point made. We had to take several of our coarses at the&#8221; main U&#8221;.A mile away at UWO There were hundreds of people in the lecture theater.  Talk about dreary. It was a complete opposite to our classes at Kings. So Maby if you want a particular type of teaching you need to do research and find the right school. Talk to your high school guidance councilor, that&#8217;s their job. This is how I ended up at Kings in 1979.</p>
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