Laura Drake
Law school not worth it?
Due to costs and tight labour market, going to law school may not pay off for a large number of students
The problem with having a two-week Christmas break right after exams is that the holiday comes smack in the middle of post-first-year-midterm malaise. Accordingly, when very well-meaning people would ask me how law school was going, my answer was usually any or all of me bursting into tears, straight up walking away while mumbling or looking them straight in the eye and saying something like “It’s totally not worth it.”
Apparently, had I wanted to back up my overly-emotional sentiment with some facts, I could have appealed to a rather unlikely ally: The American Bar Association.
Hidden deep on their website is this little four-page PDF gem that basically says that for almost half the people who go to law school, it’s totally not worth it to go to law school:
The combination of the rising cost of a legal education and the realities of the legal job market mean that going to law school may not pay off for a large number of law students.
Here are some of the most uplifting statistics (all American, by the way):
- The average public law student borrows $71,436 for law school
- The average private school student borrows $91,506
- Most American public law schools raised tuition this year by 10 to 25 per cent to make up for funding shortfalls
- In 2009, 42 per cent of law school grads had starting salaries of less than $65,000/year
It’s hard to argue with statistics, especially ones that paint a picture devoid of all sunshine. It’s also doubtlessly true that any potential students, law or otherwise, should do their research before applying and enrolling. But I still find the whole thing to be a little eyebrow raising.
For one, I’ve yet to meet a law student who did no research and simply applied to school because they thought a JD was some kind of golden ticket that would get them the super awesome apartment they saw on The Good Wife. It’s kind of insulting to potential law students, all of whom have financed at least one degree somehow, to be like “Spoiler alert, people: Law school is expensive.”
Moreover, it’s strange to me that the American Bar Association itself seems to be of the opinion that a law degree’s sole worth is grounded in its future earning potential. I know I gripe a lot about law school, but every day there is something that makes it worth it, and it has nothing to do with an imagined salary five years down the road. Law school is an aspirational gambit, and for nobody I know is the end game money. It’s also really hard, and I don’t believe you’d make it if the only thing pulling you through was the prospect of 50 Bentleys in the West Indies.
There are lots of good reasons for going, though, and it’s strange to me that those have all been skipped over in this little tome. Law school is full of interesting people and fascinating new facts and whole new worlds of things to become passionate about and people to be nerdy about learning around, not to mention a world of future careers at all kinds of pay grades. Maybe the ABA should spend a little more time advocating for that, or, heaven forbid, advocating for the cost of a legal education to go down a bit.
The exam crazies
I forgot to bring my book. To the open book exam. To the only exam that actually counted.
There are all kinds of scenarios you see frequently where seemingly otherwise-normal people go completely insane: sporting riots, Black Friday, anytime free food is introduced into a newsroom. In the past, upon viewing these events, I would think to myself “Self, in such a situation, you would not succumb to the crazies. You would likely rise above the desire to go nuts about something that doesn’t matter.”
Then I went through first-year law school exams, upon which I learned that I am apparently completely the kind of person who goes batty when faced with things that mostly don’t matter and even more insane when faced with something that does.
At UVic, the 1Ls had six exams in a 12-day period: Each Monday, Wednesday and Friday for two weeks. Here’s the thing: Five of those exams didn’t count. Not technically, anyway. At UVic, the year-long courses all have midterms from which the grade will only count if it’s better than the grade you get on your final. These are dubbed “help, not hurt” exams, a moniker I take issue with having gone through the “help, not hurt” exam period.
I stopped exercising. I stopped eating. I didn’t consciously try to stop sleeping, but I did anyway. For two weeks, no matter what time I went to bed, I would wake up hourly, occasionally actually sitting bolt upright, with my brain a jumble of different law-related thoughts. Not even fully formed thoughts, either, so it’s not like these nocturnal interruptions were helpful. It was only ever just little, unconnected fragments of thoughts from all seven of my classes.
Offer, acceptance, consideration…Multiple Access v. McCutcheon…trespass torts…three doctrinal requirements to complete a gift…Oakes test…
Et cetera. On a loop. Every night for two weeks.
Of course, there was one exam that did count. Our Law, Legislation and Policy course was only half a year, so the December exam was the final, the one that one prof described as “just hurt.” And, of course, it was for that exam that I did the craziest thing I did in all of the two-week exam period, possibly ever.
I forgot to bring my book. To the open book exam. To the only exam that actually counted.
Considering my panic level at any given point in those two weeks was generally situated at around a 7, the discovery that I would have to write a three-hour final that actually counted without my coursebook (which, by the way, is where I made all my notes) almost caused a stroke. Which is a really great physical and mental place to be in, by the way, just before you write an exam.
The only good thing to say about this is that once my blood started flowing again and I emitted a sound not unlike a cat being strangled, literally everyone around me who figured out what had happened to me simultaneously reached with their one hand to their own book and with their other hand to their wallet to get out their copy card so that I could run to the library and copy as much of their book as I could before the exam. Seriously, there were like 8 different people performing the exact same motion, some of whom I don’t even really know. It was a balletic example of the kindness and generosity of UVic law students. It was actually really heartwarming.
Of course, it also didn’t change how screwed I was. I’ll spare you the details, but suffice it to say it did not go well. Try and at least learn from me, anyone who is reading this, to check your backpack twice before leaving for an exam so that some good might come of this. And if you have any tips on how to better survive the next exam period — the one in April that actually all counts — please, for the love of Christmas, pass them on.
A whole new kind of legal brief
Thanks, Diesel, for being the first-ever entity to induce library fantasies in sleep-deprived law students.
Some students at Brooklyn Law School are all a-twitter about the fact that their law library serves as the backdrop for a new racy ad campaign for Diesel that features law books far less prominently than it does the underwear-clad derrieres of models. (That link falls just south of NSFW.)
“It’s gross. I work on those computers every day!” fumed a female student, referring to a shot showing two bra- and panty-clad women climbing over the machines toward an open-mouthed man.
“Ugh. The library fantasies are now relentless.”
Right. Thanks, Diesel, for being the first-ever entity to induce library fantasies in sleep-deprived law students. Now we’ll never get any work done!
I don’t really see what the big deal is. I assume most people looking at the photos aren’t pulling out their magnifying glasses to see what law texts the half-naked people are crawling over, and there’s no indication of the school’s name in the photos as far as I can see. As far as I can tell, the school is just getting a boatload of free publicity out of this and the students there have a fun story to tell to their friends at other law schools.
But if they’re really that worked up about it, the folks at Diesel may want to consider winging their way across the continent to the UVic Law Library if they need a new backdrop for their next ad campaign. I can only assume that is exactly what these chairs, which are spread liberally through the library, were designed for.
I’m not a lawbot, honest
Law schools tell you to strike a balance. It’s way easier said than done
Paradoxically, one of the most stressful things about the first few months of law school can be figuring out the best way to relax in a non-law way.
First off, primary law school activities suck up the bulk of your time. There’s at least 20 hours of class a week, plus 20-30 hours of readings. On top of that, now that it’s November, we’re also into midterms and assignments that have to be worked around classes and readings, so, if you round up, we’re looking at about 60 hours of first-order law school business.
Then there’s the secondary law student activities which, while not technically mandatory in the pursuit of a JD, are so universally viewed as necessary in the law school context that they might as well be degree requirements. Here we’re looking at things like joining law-related clubs, volunteering for Pro Bono Students Canada, attending lunchtime talks and seminars, networking with local lawyers and going to Canadian Bar Association events, etc. Depending on how keen you are, this is going to suck up 5-15 hours a week.
Finally, you’re also supposed to be making friends and comrades among your law class, which largely happens within the above-mentioned categories, but which also takes up post-school time. I’m not going to assign an hour value to this, because that would be weird.
On top of all that, law schools are constantly reminding us to strike a balance between school and life so that we don’t, presumably, all go nuts and turn into lawbots. If you look at the math provided above, though, this is way easier said than done.
Possibly to address this exact issue, some law schools have started building in institutional mechanisms to help law students deal with their school/life balance. Duke University Law has an actual course devoted to well-being. Yale University’s law faculty has started offering yoga classes to its students.
Superficially, these seem like kind of a nice idea. Law schools are finally owning up to the pressures placed on students and doing something to give them a hand. Practically, though, I don’t think I can really get behind them.
When you’re a law student, you spend most of your waking hours in the law building. It is the physical nexus of all the things that are stressing you out at any given time. There also can be, for some people, a weird kind of pressure to spend more time in the law building when they finish class and notice that they’re the only person heading for the bus stop when everyone else is library-bound.
So to situate relaxing activities inside the place from which all the stress is emanating seems really counter-intuitive. If you want to take a yoga class to help de-lawschoolify, it’s far better to take one as far away from the law school as physically possible and without other law students present, as opposed to in the building you already spend the bulk of your time and surrounded by people with the exact same kind of stress as you, after which chances run at about 100 per cent that someone will be like “Hey, want to hit the library? It’s right there!” Even worse would actually be to have homework for a class on well-being. “Sorry, I can’t go to the bar, I have to do my happiness homework.”
To my mind, if law schools really want to give students a hand maintaining a life outside their walls, they should simply keep schedules as tight as possible to allow for maximum time as far away from the school as one can get.
“You will be one of those poor people . . .”
“. . . but with $100,000 in law school debt”
Of the roughly 18 billion law school related things I have to do this week, one that I’m most excited about is the Canadian Bar Association Student Mentorship program dinner tonight. The CBA runs a program for its student members to get matched up with a lawyer in a field the student is interested in. Tomorrow night we have a dinner to meet our mentors, which is right smack in the middle of the “free food” and “sucking up to actual lawyers” spheres on the Venn diagram of “Things law students love.”
I’m sure it will be awesome. But there is a tiny, cynical part of me that thinks that every single part of this web video currently rocketing around the Facebook profiles of my law cohort will be uttered at some point in the night.
Wikipedia, saviour of law students
Within the bounds of what it’s appropriate for, it’s the best
As a child, if given the choice between spending time with a human or spending time with a book, 99 times out of 100 I would take the book, and the other one time it was probably only because my mother had physically taken my book away on that particular occasion. Books were my friends, and we were the very best of. In library contests where children had to move a paper totem along a wall advanced by minutes read, my little hot air balloon was often idling at the far end of the wall before half the others had even left the start gate.
In light of the hours upon hours I now find myself reading every single day, in retrospect, I kind of wish I had spent at least a little more time outside or developing the social skills that are probably going to atrophy over the next three years of law school.
Everyone tells you how much reading there is in first-year law school, but no one (read: me) really believes it until you get there. A few days before class started in September, some of the first-years were meeting up for lunch when our smart phones all went off with an e-mail from the Assistant Dean. It included, among other illuminating facts about first-year law, that we would probably be assigned 300 to 500 pages of reading a week.
“Okay, but not really,” we (again, read: me) said. “They’re probably just trying to scare us.”
Whether this tendency to believe things in the face of all evidence to the contrary will benefit or harm me in a legal career is yet to be seen. However, the Assistant Dean, unsurprisingly, was not lying. If anything, she was lowballing the estimate.
On any given night of the seven days of the week, I would say I have between two and five hours of reading. The real kick in the pants, too, is that all my amassed hours of childhood (and adulthood) reading has contributed very little to my ability to read what is assigned from law school. In fact, law school in large measure requires the same approaches that one used to learn to read the first time, like following the text with your finger to guide your eyes. The biggest thing, though, is having to pause three or four times a page to look up a phrase (frequently, and I would argue unnecessarily, in Latin) that you can’t quite figure out. And it is on this point that I would like to virtually kiss the feet of the originators of Wikipedia.
I will pause here to note that there are many objections to the use of Wikipedia in academic endeavours, and many of these are valid. I would never, nor would I ever advocate, relying on Wikipedia (or any other secondary source) as the first path of learning something. Nor would I ever cite Wikipedia in an assignment or even in class. My point is, there are limits to Wikipedia’s utility, but within the bounds of what it’s appropriate for, it’s the best.
I’d argue that Wikipedia’s main area of appropriate usage, in relation to law students, is its ability to put into plain language the dozens of new words or phrases we run up against when cracking into those 60-120 pages of nightly reading.
Real life example: Last week, for my property law class was assigned a really interesting case that had to do with the tort of conversion. As a precursor to reading, our professor suggested that we figure out what “conversion” was and my brain was all like “Duh. Conversion is either when you change one unit of measurement to another or that thing that Coach Taylor occasionally talks about on Friday Night Lights. Case closed.”
This is how the case defined conversion: “conversion-a tort that protects against interference with possessory and ownership interests in personal property.”
At which point my brain was like “No mention of measurement has been made, and it seems unlikely this is what Coach was imploring the Panthers to do. Harmonization of previous known definitions of conversion has failed. Wikipedia?”
Conversion is a common law tort. A conversion is a voluntary act by one person inconsistent with the ownership rights of another.[1] It is a tort of strict liability.[2] Its criminal counterpart is theft.
The two sentences are basically the same, but the one on Wikipedia managed to snap the legal meaning of “conversion” to the grid in my head by using plain language that the strict definition given in the case was not, and it did it in about three seconds. It’s pretty hard to argue against the utility of that. And it’s phenomenal how many of the terms and phrases I’m coming across for the first time have fully written and referenced Wikipedia entries.
How did people live before the Internet?
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The luckiest law students in all the land
Spoiler alert: It’s the kids at Osgoode Hall.
The decision this week by an Ontario Superior Court judge that struck down three of Canada’s criminal code provisions that relate to prostitution made this week an awesome one to be a law student. In my criminal law class today we spent about half of it looking at the Bedford decision as a way of studying how the Charter can affect the Criminal Code. The planned lesson for today in any event was going to be the Constitution and the Criminal Code, as well as how aspects of morality and harm play into the criminal law, so the prostitution decision just made all of that more current and awesome. Just trust me, it was a really fun and illuminating class.
Fun as it was at UVic, though, it seems impossible to conceive that the luckiest first-year law students in this country aren’t the ones who have Criminal Law at Osgoode Hall Thursday, for the simple fact that their Professor, Alan Young, is the lawyer who got the three provisions struck down. How cool is that?!? Can you imagine what class will be like?
“Guys, listen, I know on the syllabus it says we’re going to talk about how omission relates to actus reus, but instead what we’re going to do is talk about my week because I don’t know what you did this week but me, personally, I got three provisions of the Criminal Code declared unconstitutional. Boom.”
Also, he looks like a pretty funny guy from the section on examination in his Criminal Law syllabus:
In lieu of this mode of evaluation, students may make a significant donation to the Alan Young Personal Reclamation Trust Fund (cash only in U.S. currency)
Come on, that’s pretty funny. Anyway, I’m going to go drown my jealousy by absorbing myself in Contract Law readings.
Not on the syllabus: wine and cheese
When an event is hosted by multiple law firms it’s kind of like speed dating
There are a lot of things that happen at law school which, I presume, people get quickly used to and absorb into their normal conception of the way things are and how they work, but when first encountered as a wide-eyed first year can seem strange and foreign and completely intimidating, especially given the wide variety of backgrounds from which first-year law students come. Most of those backgrounds, I assume, don’t include going to wine and cheese events.
UVic’s first wine and cheese event, hosted by big Calgary and Vancouver firms in town to conduct interviews, was on Monday. The event invitation went out to everyone, and like so many things I’m confronted with that involve new experiences, my first instinct was to hide under my couch at home until the event had passed. Journalism, the subject of my previous career and degree, is many things, but it is not generally considered to be fancy. Nor am I, for that matter. Wine and cheese events, on the other hand, seem entirely predicated on fanciness. Moreover, that was about the extent of my knowledge on the subject — that these things are fancy. Outside of that, I had no conception whatsoever of the things that were meant to happen there, who was supposed to go and who we were supposed to talk to.
Then, of course, I had the following conversation that is kind of like a first year law student Mad Lib, repeated ad nauseum for the first few weeks of school, when there are roughly 18 billion things for us to attend:
Student A: Are you going to [X] tonight?
Student B: I don’t know, I was thinking about it, but I’m not sure. I have so many readings to do, and no one to go with.
Student A: Me too. Hey what if we went together?
Student B: Brilliant! Then we wouldn’t be alone! I’m sure [Students C-Z] would also want to come too. Then we’d be a group, so if nothing else we can stick together.
This is how, on Monday night, instead of doing the readings for my first Torts class, I ended up with three of my classmates heading to the Wine and Cheese event we knew nothing about, except that we had to dress in business attire.
As it turns out, a Wine and Cheese hosted by multiple law firms is kind of like speed dating. The firms sat at tables lining the room, and upon entering we were given a map and bios of each firm present. The responsibility to strike up a conversation with any given firm representative fell upon the students.
This was slightly awkward, insofar as myself and the people I was with were acutely aware that we currently have nothing to offer these people. Monday was actually the first day of real classes for us, so the entirety of our legal knowledge consisted of about two hours of our first Property Law class. We were all of the opinion that practising lawyers would have very little interest in talking about the fundamental principles of property rights.
So what we did instead was to go up to any representatives at a table who looked bored or lonely, introduce ourselves as first years who had had one day of formal instruction, and ask if they had any general advice for us on the first day of class looking forward to the rest of our careers given that most of us have no clue what we want to do, let alone how to go about doing it.
Everyone was really friendly, and quick with helpful general advice, like first-year law grades matter less than any other line on your transcript. That you don’t need a law job after first year if you don’t feel comfortable getting one. That big firms are largely the same in terms of the areas of law practised, so what can be most important is finding one where you fit in personally. That we shouldn’t panic (which is something we’ve been hearing a lot lately, usually because we’re all panicking.)
So, in the end, it was a completely worthwhile thing to go to, even though none of us went expressly to schmooze or “make connections,” which is often other students’ stated purpose for going to these kinds of functions.
And if nothing else, we got a free dinner. I will say this: “cheese” is a misnomer. There was an unbelievable array of delicious, plentiful food there; so much so that we cancelled our post-event dinner plans to go home and digest . . . and get those Torts readings done.
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A moot point
The giraffe learned to walk and we’ll all learn to moot — and be glad that there will never be a YouTube video of what we looked like Monday afternooon.
If the calendar is to be believed (and I’m not putting forward that it is) I’ve been in law school classes for one week now. Gauging by my own exhaustion, I should be ready to graduate next week. It would seem, though, that parchments aren’t doled out based on how tired first-year students feel, especially when it’s radiantly obvious we’re lacking skills that need at least three years to develop.
At UVic, the first two weeks of school see regular law classes postponed in favour of one two-week course called Legal Process. The course is designed to give us an overview of what we’ll be learning over the next three years and some of the skills we’re going to need to learn it. I think it’s a cool idea for lots of reasons, one of which is that it makes it patently obvious how much we don’t know and how much we’re all going to grow and change over the course of our degree.
Case in point — on Monday, we were given our first-ever moot court exercise. Basically, we were given a made-up scenario whereby a law student was suing the University and a meat distributor after he ate a hamburger at a school barbecue that made him sick. Our job was to act as the various parties in court and formulate arguments to student judges using points of law in combination with the facts we were given. As it turns out, students who have had three days of legal instruction and have read a grand total of two cases they can refer to as precedent trying to do a moot court looks a lot like the law student version of this:
Except that it was even more hilarious than that video. Still, despite my own stuttering performance as one of the designated plaintiff’s lawyers, it was the most fun I’ve had here yet. The giraffe learned to walk and we’ll all learn to moot — and be glad that there will never be a YouTube video of what we looked like Monday afternooon.
A quick quiz to see where your first day of school was
If you answered yes to all the above questions, Congrats! You were at the first day of UVic law with me.
1. Did you have to actively concentrate to avoid stepping on or kicking a bunny on your way to class? (Yes/No)
2. Did the Dean of your school give the following speech: “Look at the student on your right. Now look at the student on your left. You just made two new friends!” (Yes/No)
2a. Did the Dean then give you prescribed time to enter your new friends number in your notebook or cellular telephone. (Yes/No)
3. Did an elder from the Coast Salish nation welcome your class and remind you to be grateful for your family and friends who helped get you to school? (Yes/No)
4. Did the Dean, several times throughout the morning, ask you to look into your neighbour’s eyes and tell them they deserved to be there and/or various other positive affirmations about their self worth? (Yes/No)
5. Did you get a bag full of swag that included, among other things, an eco-friendly water bottle? (Yes/No)
If you answered yes to all the above questions, Congrats! You were at the first day of UVic law with me. If you answered No to any, I’m sorry. Your day was probably way less awesome than mine.
(Now I’m excited. This is starting to seem less scary and more fun…)
Facebook: The most vital of school supplies
I went from having a social network of one other journalism-defector to one that’s full of the people I’m going to be closest to for the next three years.
While driving from Calgary to Vancouver last week, I listened to an interview with Matt Richtel on NPR’s Fresh Air. Richtel is a New York Times journalist who won a Pulitzer Prize this year for his work on a series about the risks of texting while driving. In other words, he is a man who knows a lot about technology and its negative effects on our lives. He told Terry Gross that his favoured analogy for the relationship between humans and technology is to compare it to how we interact with food:
Just as food nourishes us and we need it for life, so too in the 21st century, in the modern age, we need technology. You cannot survive without the communications tools. The productivity tools are essential. And yet, food has pros and cons to it. We know that some food is Twinkies and some is Brussels sprouts. And we know that if we overeat, it causes problems.
Similarly, after, say, 20 years of glorifying all technology as if all computers were good and all use of it was good, I think science is beginning to embrace the idea that some technology is Twinkies, and some technology is Brussels sprouts.
This makes sense to me, because for the last week I was without the Internet (thanks to the ineptitude of an unnamed Canadian telecom giant who, I believe, must hate me personally) and it felt like I was starving. I’ve had a lot of time this week to think, usually while lying on my floor staring at the ceiling looking for shapes in the stucco, about which parts of the Internet I missed because I was bored and lonely, and which parts I missed because they’ve become integral to my life. It was fairly clear from the get-go that missing two (2) episodes of Jersey Shore on mtv.ca didn’t really have a tangible impact on my life, save for possibly the brief reflective moment where I felt sad about my own taste in entertainment.
If you asked me in August, I probably would have lumped Facebook in amongst the “Twinkies” side of technological-innovations-that-hurt-more-than-help, but this week has convinced me that, for students, Facebook cannot be lived without.
When I started journalism school, Facebook wasn’t a thing. It wasn’t even a gleam in then-Harvard-freshman Mark Zuckerberg’s eye. So, in September 2002, when I showed up to the first day of Journalism 1000, that was also the first day I met all my classmates. There was no other way for it to be, so that’s what we all would expected would happen, and that’s what did.
Fast forward eight years, and Facebook has so managed to entwine itself in the fabric of our lives that it and it alone is the reason that I know about 30 people in my law school class despite only knowing one of them personally two weeks ago.
In the six years since Facebook stampeded on to the public scene, people (or my generation, at least) have so rapidly evolved to accept it as a dominant form of communication that, without a single instance of outside prompting, 120 people sought out and joined a Facebook group called UVic Law 2013. This group has no official basis or purpose. Yet, almost every single person in our first-year class independently thought “Hey, I bet there’s a Facebook group for our law class this year. I should find it and join.”
And, during the week since I arrived in Victoria, there have been four separate social events organized solely through this Facebook group. And I didn’t have the Internet. If it weren’t for one longtime, much beloved analog friend of mine who is also attending UVic Law this year and who does have an Internet connection letting me know about all the different social gatherings, I would have been completely left out.
Which would have been awful. Anyone who’s read basically any other entries on this blog knows that I’m petrified to start school, and that feeling has only intensified since arriving in the city I will attend said school in. And you know who else feels scared? Every one of the other future law students I met in person this week, all of whom are not just nice but awesome. Making all these new friends has made all the difference between a week of agonizing fear and loneliness and a week that’s been incredibly fun. I went from having a social network of one other journalism-defector to one that’s full of the people I’m going to be closest to for the next three years.
I know that in a world without Facebook we just would have met at orientation, and friendships still would have been started and we all would have been fine. But this way, we’ve been allowed to meet up outside all of the pressures and stress of the first day of school and figuring out schedules and having to find time to meet up amongst the 300 to 500 weekly pages of reading we’ve been told we’ll get. And if that’s not a form of vital sustenance made possibly by technology, I don’t know what is.
Panic mode
I mean, I am excited. Or I was. Abject fear has been slowly overtaking excited as my dominant pre-law school emotion.
Blogging might be light in the next two or three weeks as I enter what the French call le panic mode.* For one thing, I’m departing Edmonton by car for Victoria in slightly more than a week and I have packed … (looks around apartment) zero things.
So that constitutes, rough estimate, about 20 per cent of my stress. The rest resides in this little knot in my stomach that explodes into full-body terrors, usually right after someone says something like “School starts so soon! Are you excited?”
I mean, I am excited. Or I was. Abject fear has been slowly overtaking excited as my dominant pre-law school emotion as orientation day approaches. This is normal, probably, but it’s not enjoyable.
For example, the other day I was talking with UBC law professor David Duff during which he proffered this little nugget:
“At the end of the day, when students get to law school, they’re all in the same pool. There’s always this phenomenon whereby law students have always been above average and, by definition, half of them are not going to be above average.”
I think I managed to continue talking, but there’s also a definite chance I stopped conversing and devolved into making tiny rodential squeaks as my brain was like “Me. It’s me. I’m totally going to be below average. Oh my God. What am I doing? I’m going to spend $–,— just to fail and I’m going to have to move in to my parents’ basement and live there for all eternity waaaahhhhhhhhh.”
I’m sure I felt this way as a 17-year-old heading across four provinces to start my undergraduate degree, but I don’t remember, because in my own mind I can fold the space-time continuum so that 17-year-old me is also 25-year-old me who is imbued with the knowledge that undergrad was not only completely achievable but amazingly fun and therefore has no fear, and tells 17-year-old me this and we high-five in my memory and retroactively erase all the fear and doubt I had eight years ago, leaving me only with my current fear and doubt.
Well, that, and Google. If you type something along the lines of “Law school won’t kill me, right?” you can turn up a treasure trove of living, breathing current-and-former law students willing to help out with friendly advice. Some of my favourites are here, here, here and here.
Also, advice is also welcome in the comments section. For the meantime, I’m going to start packing … or curl up in the couch in the fetal position. TBD.
*La mode panique? That can’t be right, because I think that means the panic fashion. Oh, small town Alberta high school French. You have forsaken me.
On whether or not to get a journalism degree
On the bright side, no Canadian journalism graduate that I’m aware of has voluntarily starved themselves because they couldn’t get a media job.
As a graduate of the Carleton School of Journalism, I get a little e-mail in my inbox every Tuesday, which is appropriately titled Tuesday Topics. Yesterday’s edition was fronted with a little piece of news I found interesting, which was later written up for public consumption by a couple of Carleton profs:
Applications to Ontario’s degree programs in Journalism are down compared to this time last year, according to data released last month by the Ontario Universities’ Application Centre in Guelph . . . According to the OUAC website, www.ouac.on.ca, 3,576 applications were received as of July 8 for first-year admission to Journalism programs across the province. That figure is 13.2 per cent lower than the equivalent last year.
Now, if you couple this with the fact that overall undergraduate applications to Ontario Universities has been steadily rising, it seems as though a reasonable inference here is that interest in an undergraduate journalism education is waning. And why might that be?
“I suspect the drop reflects to some extent the uncertainty in the journalism business as a whole, ” [Carleton journalism undergraduate supervisor Klaus] Pohle says.
The acting chair of Ryerson University’s School of Journalism, Suanne Kelman, agrees the poor job market is responsible for the drop in interest in journalism programs. In an email she wrote: “Surely fears about future employment would be the major factor. That would explain why applications are down across the province – if it were just us and Carleton, I might assume that the wider range of choices played a more importance (sic) part. I think that students and their parents are being affected by the concerns over the future of journalism.”
Well, no kidding. Since I graduated in 2007, I have worked for three major daily newspapers and not once did I have an actual job with things like benefits. Moreover, I was extremely lucky to be able to score that many internship positions, which are rare and getting rarer. Just to draw from newspapers I worked at, when I was a summer intern at the Edmonton Journal there were seven summer intern spots; now there are four. The Ottawa Citizen used to have six year-long interns at a time, I believe they are down to either one or two. The vast majority of the friends I made in school didn’t even try to work in the journalism industry or, if they did, have already given up and pursued another career path, which, I would be remiss not to mention, they were all aided in by their journalism degree.
To be clear, I loved pretty much everything about my undergraduate experience. The profs at Carleton were fantastic both for imparting knowledge and having working-journalist connections, I made amazing friends, I learned skills of both life and work varieties, etc. So to say all those things and recommend against taking an undergraduate journalism degree would be a pretty dick move, which is why I’m not going to do it. What I am going to do is proffer some advice to people who want to be journalists and are considering an undergraduate journalism degree.
What a journalism undergraduate degree will get you are amazing memories, good connections with profs who know hundreds of working journalists, marketable skills in the form of writing and communications abilities. What it will not get you, and what no one ever promises it will get you, is a job in journalism.
To be clear, in my recollection, no one at j-skool ever lied about this, either. I’m pretty sure that from literally day one, lectures included messages from profs that, if you wanted to get a job in journalism on the other side, then you were going to have to hustle outside of class. A journalism degree on its own is never, ever going to get anyone a job in media. Students newspaper experience, community radio, working for small-town media, free work placements, academic exchanges and, at this point, extra curricular web experience are basically mandatory if you’re interested in hunting for a job.
Now, this was all made clear to us. An interesting counterpoint to that strategy, appropriately enough for this blog, are law schools in the United States. The legal job market in the States tanked during the recession and, accordingly, recent grads are extremely hard pressed to find work, not unlike journalism grads in Canada. There are several key differences, though, particularly that there’s a large movement in the States that put forward that American law schools actively lie to potential students about hiring rates to “trick” them into paying exorbitant, six-figure amounts for their degree. (Another key difference there being that you can get a whole undergraduate journalism degree for less than the cost of one year at an American law school.) Some people view it as so bad that they are apparently willing to go on a hunger strike in a bid to get American law schools to be more transparent about hiring figures and job market realities.
So, you know, on the bright side, no Canadian journalism graduate that I’m aware of has voluntarily starved themselves because they couldn’t get a media job and felt that it was their school’s fault. But that doesn’t mean it’s not exceedingly challenging to score a media job. This doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t apply for undergraduate journalism degrees, it just means that, if they want to be a journalist, they should be aware of what’s in store and adjust expectations appropriately.
What doesn’t mix sex, violence and tax law, really?
Who else is out there doing this? And do they, also, freely admit the trashiness of their legal texts?
I should have picked Queen’s law:
Art Cockfield is one of the few professors who use sex and violence to help teach the Income Tax Act and international tax law.
The Queen’s University law instructor writes books that combine traditional textbook style information with a fictional case study story that he freely admits are trashy.
His book Manager’s Guide to International Tax contains a murder-mystery novella involving a corporate power struggle set in a Napa Valley winery. Student Edition of the Income Tax Act has a senior partner in an accounting office take her junior associate hostage and threatens to kill him unless he can answer questions about some shady business dealings.
One of the few professors? Who else is out there doing this? And do they, also, freely admit the trashiness of their legal texts? I’d really appreciate it if anyone who’s had Art Cockfield could weigh in on how sexy and/or violent his tax law classes are. Also, whether or not his texts stand up to this guy’s standard for legal writing.
Law student connection to otherwise irritating story
You can, apparently, be a full-time student in a rigorous law program and still have time to do fun things like act in plays
Lots of people are getting worked up today over the PMO’s expressed disappointment that a play called Homegrown was part of a festival that received federal funds. They’re disappointed, you see, because, in their opinion, the play “glorifies terrorism” and therefore should not public money.
I could get up in a lather about this, too. I don’t have a job right now; I generally spend about an hour each morning reading the news and getting all riled up about one thing or another. I could rail on about how the total government funds apportioned to the play from the festival funding are, in all likelihood, south of what I’m going to have to spend on textbooks in the next 30 days. Or that the federal government (especially one in the current incarnation we’ve got, which is supposedly steadfastly libertarian) doesn’t really have a place trying to tell playwrights what they should or should not say. Or that it’s just kind of embarrassing that the government appears to have less of a stake in freedom of expression than Steam Whistle breweries. (“Artistic exploration is important and Steam Whistle fully believes in it,” said Sybil Taylor, a brewery spokesperson.)
But I’m not going to do any of that, partially because I think that the PMO says these things sometimes just so their staffers can be tickled by any reaction from left of centre, and I don’t particularly care to be tickling people over at Langevin Block. Instead, what I’m going to do, is forget about all the above stuff and focus on something else about Homegrown entirely: One of is stars is a current U of T law student.
So, unexpected positive thing I’m taking away from this whole eye-twitch inducing “debate:” You can, apparently, be a full-time student in a rigorous law program and still have time to do fun things like act in plays. High five.
Yet more on the LSAT
I guess my last post got some hackles up south of the border.
I guess my last post got some hackles up south of the border:
But is the LSAT pointless? Recently, a Canadian online newspaper asked why the great land of Canadia, home to mounties and maple trees, would eliminate the MCAT from medical school consideration while maintaining the LSAT as one of the principle determining factors for law school admission. The writer, Laura Drake, then postulated that the LSAT actually doesn’t test anything needed for law school/legal work.
*Waves frantically south of the border* Thanks for visiting! The author here is a fun, snappy writer, and you should check out the post, Why the LSAT is Useful, and one Canadian Newspaper is not.
. Now, on to some quick points.
1. I don’t think I actually postulated that the LSAT doesn’t test anything needed for law school or legal work. When I said it has nothing to do with the law, I meant the literal law. Current legislation, rules of evidence, civil procedure, etc. A lot of people who have never taken the LSAT are under the impression that the test includes those things, and I was simply pointing out that it doesn’t.
2. I also never said the LSAT was pointless, and if I gave that impression, then my bad for being unclear. What it does test — logical reasoning, analytical reasoning and reading comprehension — are probably useful for most things in life, law school inclusive. What I was more doing was try to start a conversation about whether its the best and, more importantly, only way to measure ones abilities at those things.
3. Maclean’s is actually a magazine, and I personally find it pretty useful at times. My own use to the universe, however, is definitely up for debate.
If not MCAT, why LSAT?
Why are Canadian law schools so wedded to a standardized test that has nothing to do with the law?
Last week all the scuttlebutt was about medical schools that are removing the MCAT as an admission requirement. Right here at home, McGill just axed the standardized test as a mandatory part of an application.
I’ve never written the MCAT, but from my understanding, it does, in fact, test things that one would probably need to know for medical school, like biological sciences. I know I like my doctor to know about biological sciences, personally.
So if medical schools are starting to ease up on requirements for a standardized test that appears to at least have some relevance to the future subject matter at hand, why are Canadian law schools so wedded to a standardized test that has nothing to do with the law? All of the English common law schools in the country have it as a mandatory requirement, and while the LSAT isn’t mandatory for the French schools, some do require applicants to disclose their score if the test was written and many use it as a factor in admissions.
Can anyone present a really strong argument for it as a requirement? I do see the value for admissions officers, to be sure. Potential law students come from literally every corner of the undergraduate academic world, and the LSAT is a ready-made, tried-and-tested way of assigning those thousands of people, with their varied backgrounds, a standard by which to judge them against one another.
But the trick comes, as always, with the word “standardized.” The LSAT is not immune to problems that come along with all such tests, like predictive abilities for law school performance that are mediocre and apparent bias against certain ethnic groups.
Yet it’s well-known among law school applicants that many Canadian schools sort their applications into piles by LSAT score and simply axe off those below a certain percentile. How many brilliant future lawyers are lost below that line, who, for one reason or another, simply can’t handle the LSAT?
It seems to me that there’s some room here for a Canadian law school to set itself apart by announcing a new, more holistic approach to admissions by waiving the LSAT requirement and perhaps doing something like having admissions interviews, which no Canadian law school does, instead, on top of using references and personal statements and extra-curriculars and undergraduate performance. If not for a whole entering class, then perhaps schools could set aside a certain portion of first-year seats for applicants that do not require the LSAT, like the University of Michigan law school did in 2008.
Is there anything about the LSAT that makes it sacrosanct?
LSAT-iquette
Asking someone what they got on the LSAT ranks somewhere between asking someone what they weigh and asking them how much money they made last year
The whole deciding, applying and accepting process for law school is a long and arduous process, of which the most time-and-mind consuming of it all has got to be studying and writing the LSAT. *
If you ever need to disabuse your mind of the notion that knowledge of the law is a prerequisite for law school, take a gander at a sample LSAT one day. The six-sectioned, nearly-five-hour torture exercise has precisely nothing to do with the law and everything to do with one’s ability to generate locker assignments for oddly-alphabetically named fifth graders who are possessed of complex social structures that would erupt were Betty forced to share with Carly.
Still, it’s mandatory. And thus, it becomes all-consuming for those considering law school, between studying for it and asking other people how they studied for it and obsessively checking law schools’ median LSAT scores for last year’s entering class against your practice results, et cetera.
The strange thing, though, is that even though the only point of writing the LSAT is to award test-takers a score which they will use to apply for school, asking someone what they got on the LSAT ranks somewhere between asking someone what they weigh and asking them how much money they made last year on the list of societally unacceptable things to inquire of people that will always garner you cock-eyed disapproving looks but rarely get you an answer.
I started studying for the LSAT last February and wrote last June, and for the first time in more than a year since I received my score, someone flat-out asked me what I got. I’m in Victoria at the moment, setting up my place for the forthcoming school year, and while opening an account at the video store around the corner, the clerk asked what brought me to the city, and upon hearing my answer the first words out of his mouth were “What did you get on the LSAT.” Literally, just like that. I almost high-fived him for being so forthcoming, being someone who is both naturally nosy and was just previously paid to ask strangers intrusive questions.
It turned out that he’s in the middle of studying for the LSAT himself, which is exactly the position I was in more than a year ago. Just like our curious video clerk, I too constantly asked previous writers how they did on the LSAT, only to frequently receive such maddening non-answers as “Well, I did well enough to get into law school.”
Even on the Internet, where everyone is cloaked in a veil of anonymity, there is a reticence to share LSAT scores unless prompted**. Over at lawstudents.ca, each Canadian law school has its own message board, and each of those has its own variant of an IN! thread, in which applicants post messages when they get in to said school. Now, every single one of these threads is populated by applicants who haven’t yet heard back, and every single time the same thing happens over and over throughout the life of the thread:
1. Someone posts that they’ve been accepted to school X, with very little other info.
2. Someone else immediately responds, asking poster 1 what their stats are, ie, LSAT score and GPA
3. The original poster responds, gladly willing to furnish such info on request, but almost never having put it in the original post, despite knowing that these are the only things the people who use these boards really care to know, so that they may judge their own chances of getting an acceptance letter in the near future.
I suppose the reason that it’s so verboten to either voluntarily disclose one’s LSAT score, or to ask what someone else’s is, is that if the conversation is taking place between two applicants or law students, unless they got the exact same score, such a discussion immediately ranks the participants in a supremely uncomfortable way by which the superior score-getter fears being seen as smug or a braggart and the inferior score-getter immediately feels subpar and both are keenly aware of both their own and the other’s feelings, neither of which are pleasant.
Accordingly, even though the LSAT is something for which people prepare for months, and which the only point is to get a score, once you’ve got the score you’ve worked so hard for, the only people who ask what you got are those who have no comprehension of the whole process or what a score between 120 and 180 even means, and so just nod pleasantly and blankly when you tell them and then immediately ask what kind of law you want to practice.
*The second-most is the personal essay, which I actually hated far, far more than the LSAT and accordingly spent far less time on, but will be discussed in a later blog post.
**Which is exactly why I have just written a 750-word post on the LSAT without voluntarily disclosing my own score.***
*** In case it hasn’t become obvious, I’m about 300 pages into David Foster Wallace’s Infinite Jest right now, which is why I’m probably going to be moderately annoying for the next month or so w/r/t using footnotes and so such.
Today, in depressing and unanticipated studies
Within six months of entering law school, students experience significant decreases in well-being and life satisfaction.
Here’s a fun little unattributed paragraph I came across this morning:
Thus, it is not surprising that studies find, within six months of entering law school, students experience significant decreases in well-being and life satisfaction, and substantial increases in depression, negative affect and physical symptoms.
Say what? The blog linked to above didn’t have any references or links, so a small part of me was hoping that this lawyer uses the phrase “studies find” like my mother frequently uses the phrase “they say,” i.e., when she is making things up. Could such studies really exist?
Spoiler alert: Yes.
We evaluated changes in subjective well-being (SWB), motivation, and values occurring over the law-student career. In study 1, law students began with levels of SWB higher than a comparison sample of undergraduates, but by the end of the first year their SWB had plummeted. These changes were correlated with the sample-wide decreases in intrinsic motivation over the first year, and were also correlated with increases in appearance values and decreases in community service values.
I wholeheartedly invite any and all submissions to the following: evidence this is not applicable to Canadian law schools, anecdotal evidence to the contrary or statistical reasons this study is bogus.
“Why Victoria?”
To be perfectly frank, I still don’t think I know what a good reason to pick one law school over another is.
I don’t know how most incoming law students spend their summer before school, but I personally opted to quit my job two months early for a hiatus from thinking and in order to have enough time to move cities without causing undue stress.
I spent the first two weeks of my newfound temporary freedom on vacation in Ottawa, where I lived for six years before I moved to Edmonton. I also have a lot of family here, so basically I’ve spent the last two weeks frantically running around trying to meet up with people I haven’t seen in awhile. An interesting pattern emerged in the majority of the conversations, wherein at some point the person I was meeting with would lean back and just look at me and say, “Why Victoria?”
To be perfectly frank, I still don’t think I know what a good reason to pick one law school over another is. The most common advice I heard was to go to school close to where you want to practice, because it’s just easier to get jobs at employers the more proximate they are to your school. Another frequent piece of advice is to go to a school that specializes in the kind of law you think you want to practice, but as previously discussed in this space, I’m not sure that’s something m0st people really know. In the States, rankings play a huge role in what schools people aim for, but that’s not the case up here.
So, given that I’m quite flexible on where I’d want to practice and what kind of law I want to do, when people ask me why I picked the University of Victoria’s law school over the others I was accepted to, a little part of me panics because I don’t have one good solid answer. I generally sort of throw out a combination of any and all of the following points:
- The current and former students of UVic law school have got to be the happiest unrepresentative sample I’ve ever canvassed. Literally everyone I’ve talked to who went or goes there has nothing but fantastic things to say about the law school, it’s professors and course options and fostered attitude of non-competitiveness. It’s kind of stunning. This is not true of any other law school I’ve come across in this country
- UVic’s law school is smaller than most, and having grown up in a town of 5,000 people, I’m slightly agorophobic. I had to drive in Toronto last weekend and it took me an hour for me to stop shaking from the stress of it.
- UVic has cheaper tuition than most Canadian law schools. I believe it’s lower than everywhere except Quebec schools for Quebec resident.
- I’ve never lived there before. Most everyone, including myself, expected that I would go to Ottawa when I was accepted there because of the aforementioned family-and-friend factor, but this seemed like more of an adventure.
- It doesn’t snow in Victoria. This is almost certainly the worst reason I have, but it is, nonetheless, one of my actual deciding factors. I had to give UVic an answer on admissions by February 1 this year, and while I’m sure there were practical reasons for that date, I’m also sure that it’s a shrewd marketing technique on the part of the law school because the weather is complete shit everywhere else in Canada on Feburary 1.
That’s pretty much it. I kind of cringe at the lack of law-related reasons on that list, but that’s kind of my whole point: What is a good reason to pick a law school? I’d love if other incoming law students could weigh in in the comments about why they h0nestly picked their school.

