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		<title>By: thelittleguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>thelittleguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s official, there&#039;s to be a vote from Feb. 3rd to 5th to keep Zuhair from being re-elected...the last straw I hear was that he explosively lost his temper in public on one of his VPs, making a death threat against her...lost support of his former friends amongst most of the SCSU execs because of this (personal opinion: until this incident though, I personally think that the execs were willing to just sit back and skim as much off the top as they could...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s official, there&#8217;s to be a vote from Feb. 3rd to 5th to keep Zuhair from being re-elected&#8230;the last straw I hear was that he explosively lost his temper in public on one of his VPs, making a death threat against her&#8230;lost support of his former friends amongst most of the SCSU execs because of this (personal opinion: until this incident though, I personally think that the execs were willing to just sit back and skim as much off the top as they could&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To clarify, the SCSU is not facing any financial difficulties.&quot;

To clarify: SCSU ran a huge deficit from their restaurant which had been operating for 3 years, their $60 grand emergency bailout lasted less than two weeks and they missed a round (there were three rounds) of club&#039;s funding for student organized clubs on campus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To clarify, the SCSU is not facing any financial difficulties.&#8221;</p>
<p>To clarify: SCSU ran a huge deficit from their restaurant which had been operating for 3 years, their $60 grand emergency bailout lasted less than two weeks and they missed a round (there were three rounds) of club&#8217;s funding for student organized clubs on campus.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Skeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 02:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh oh... Zuhair what is your response now? Skeptic brings up a very good point. Try to be more organized the next time around.  Good luck for next year and don’t give people a chance to talk.  I *know* you’ll do a great job. 

-Not Skeptic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh oh&#8230; Zuhair what is your response now? Skeptic brings up a very good point. Try to be more organized the next time around.  Good luck for next year and don’t give people a chance to talk.  I *know* you’ll do a great job. </p>
<p>-Not Skeptic</p>
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		<title>By: skeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Zuhair

I&#039;m not talking about the mid-year financials that you&#039;ve included.  I&#039;m talking about the year-end financials for the 2007/2008 financial year, which ended quite some time ago.  These draft forms, which were never signed by any auditor, note a year end date of April 30, 2008.  I assume you&#039;ve had plenty of time since then?

Brother, you can dance around this however much you like, but this fact remains.  Your simply haven&#039;t fulfilled your basic obligation to your members (and to the government, as a not-for-profit) to have an annual audit conducted last year.  We aren&#039;t talking about this year - we&#039;re talking about last year.

It can&#039;t possibly be an &lt;i&gt;audited financial&lt;/i&gt; statement because it &lt;i&gt;hasn&#039;t been audited!&lt;/i&gt;  If this is what passes for communication around the SCSU these days, then I think you should realize why your members are alarmed.  You put a bunch of numbers in front of them and claim it&#039;s been audited, when in fact there&#039;s no proff it&#039;s even come within spitting distance of a real auditor.  Do you simply not know what the phrase &quot;audited financial statement&quot; means, or were you hoping no one would notice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zuhair</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not talking about the mid-year financials that you&#8217;ve included.  I&#8217;m talking about the year-end financials for the 2007/2008 financial year, which ended quite some time ago.  These draft forms, which were never signed by any auditor, note a year end date of April 30, 2008.  I assume you&#8217;ve had plenty of time since then?</p>
<p>Brother, you can dance around this however much you like, but this fact remains.  Your simply haven&#8217;t fulfilled your basic obligation to your members (and to the government, as a not-for-profit) to have an annual audit conducted last year.  We aren&#8217;t talking about this year &#8211; we&#8217;re talking about last year.</p>
<p>It can&#8217;t possibly be an <i>audited financial</i> statement because it <i>hasn&#8217;t been audited!</i>  If this is what passes for communication around the SCSU these days, then I think you should realize why your members are alarmed.  You put a bunch of numbers in front of them and claim it&#8217;s been audited, when in fact there&#8217;s no proff it&#8217;s even come within spitting distance of a real auditor.  Do you simply not know what the phrase &#8220;audited financial statement&#8221; means, or were you hoping no one would notice?</p>
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		<title>By: Zuhair</title>
		<link>http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2009/01/30/despite-financial-crisis-student-pols-increase-their-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-9275</link>
		<dc:creator>Zuhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Skeptic,

The audited financials are actually the documents I presented for the fiscal year 2007/2008 for both SCSU and Bluff&#039;s. However, as you may know, audits are conducted at the end of the fiscal year, which is why our CFO had to put together a mid-year statement for Bluff&#039;s. Those specific statements have not been audited. However, the best we can do is to print these statements, and run them by our Board of Directors for the time being. We will proceed to conduct an audit on the statements for Bluff&#039;s this year before the year end audit since we are closing the restaurant this Friday, but this cannot be done until a few weeks down the road as you may imagine. So while we are rushing to get as much information as we can to students, I hope you can appreciate the difficulty in getting &#039;audited&#039; mid year statements so fast- it will take longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Skeptic,</p>
<p>The audited financials are actually the documents I presented for the fiscal year 2007/2008 for both SCSU and Bluff&#8217;s. However, as you may know, audits are conducted at the end of the fiscal year, which is why our CFO had to put together a mid-year statement for Bluff&#8217;s. Those specific statements have not been audited. However, the best we can do is to print these statements, and run them by our Board of Directors for the time being. We will proceed to conduct an audit on the statements for Bluff&#8217;s this year before the year end audit since we are closing the restaurant this Friday, but this cannot be done until a few weeks down the road as you may imagine. So while we are rushing to get as much information as we can to students, I hope you can appreciate the difficulty in getting &#8216;audited&#8217; mid year statements so fast- it will take longer.</p>
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		<title>By: skeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Took the time to scan through that document.  Got one question.  How do you justify your description of the contents as &quot;audited financials?&quot;  Audited financials are financials that have &lt;i&gt;actually been audited&lt;/i&gt;.  The accounting records offered from both Bluff&#039;s and the SCSU come along with &lt;i&gt;draft forms&lt;/i&gt; written in general language and unsigned by any auditors.  In fact, I can&#039;t even see any indication to clarify what auditing firm is responsible for verifying the figures in these documents, much less any suggestion that has occurred in reality.

I applaud a move towards transparency.  But so far, unless you&#039;ve simply failed to include the very critical pages where an auditor takes responsibility for an audit, all that transparency has served to demonstrate is that the problems reported in the U of T media are not exaggerated.  I&#039;d really have hoped the President of the union would understand that an &quot;audit&quot; isn&#039;t an audit unless it was actually conducted by an auditor, who students can turn to for independent verification of what you are reporting to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Took the time to scan through that document.  Got one question.  How do you justify your description of the contents as &#8220;audited financials?&#8221;  Audited financials are financials that have <i>actually been audited</i>.  The accounting records offered from both Bluff&#8217;s and the SCSU come along with <i>draft forms</i> written in general language and unsigned by any auditors.  In fact, I can&#8217;t even see any indication to clarify what auditing firm is responsible for verifying the figures in these documents, much less any suggestion that has occurred in reality.</p>
<p>I applaud a move towards transparency.  But so far, unless you&#8217;ve simply failed to include the very critical pages where an auditor takes responsibility for an audit, all that transparency has served to demonstrate is that the problems reported in the U of T media are not exaggerated.  I&#8217;d really have hoped the President of the union would understand that an &#8220;audit&#8221; isn&#8217;t an audit unless it was actually conducted by an auditor, who students can turn to for independent verification of what you are reporting to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Zuhair</title>
		<link>http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2009/01/30/despite-financial-crisis-student-pols-increase-their-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-9261</link>
		<dc:creator>Zuhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all,

For the purposes of transparency and accountability, and because many students have voiced serious concerns about allegations being spread around, please refer to a special report that we&#039;ve created to address the common questions. The report contains mid-year financials for Bluff&#039;s as well as audited financials for SCSU and Bluff&#039;s for the last fiscal year. Additionally, We&#039;ve posted answers to common questions people seem to have. We hope that you take the time to read everything in detail, and I welcome ANY questions people have so that we can get this all cleared up as soon as possible. 


http://www.scsu.ca/documents/SCSU%20REPORT.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all,</p>
<p>For the purposes of transparency and accountability, and because many students have voiced serious concerns about allegations being spread around, please refer to a special report that we&#8217;ve created to address the common questions. The report contains mid-year financials for Bluff&#8217;s as well as audited financials for SCSU and Bluff&#8217;s for the last fiscal year. Additionally, We&#8217;ve posted answers to common questions people seem to have. We hope that you take the time to read everything in detail, and I welcome ANY questions people have so that we can get this all cleared up as soon as possible. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.scsu.ca/documents/SCSU%20REPORT.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.scsu.ca/documents/SCSU%20REPORT.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realise completely the amount of work student union execs put in. I&#039;ve done it myself, actually, while still taking a full courseload in order to remain eligible for OSAP, which I needed even with the salary. It doesn&#039;t change the fact that the SCSU execs already GOT a pay raise recently (approved two years ago, came into effect for last year&#039;s execs) and that this one was far too exorbitant. Regardless, with the SCSU&#039;s lack of transparency and financial mismanagement this year, a pay raise of any amount is just offensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realise completely the amount of work student union execs put in. I&#8217;ve done it myself, actually, while still taking a full courseload in order to remain eligible for OSAP, which I needed even with the salary. It doesn&#8217;t change the fact that the SCSU execs already GOT a pay raise recently (approved two years ago, came into effect for last year&#8217;s execs) and that this one was far too exorbitant. Regardless, with the SCSU&#8217;s lack of transparency and financial mismanagement this year, a pay raise of any amount is just offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danielle, 

yes i know about the inconvenience of the GM. they have proxy forms to help with that.  the GM was publicized pretty soon after the AGM. agendas were online and in the office. the policy itself is also available online. any one of the scsu admin assistants or exec would have been able to hand you both the agenda and policy.  

what im saying is that if you (not you specifically) cared, then you would know. i cared, i found out, and i know. 

again, i was completely against the raise. me and 25 others i represented at the GM.  but at the same time, you have to realize the hard work these execs are putting in. close to 40 hours/week easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danielle, </p>
<p>yes i know about the inconvenience of the GM. they have proxy forms to help with that.  the GM was publicized pretty soon after the AGM. agendas were online and in the office. the policy itself is also available online. any one of the scsu admin assistants or exec would have been able to hand you both the agenda and policy.  </p>
<p>what im saying is that if you (not you specifically) cared, then you would know. i cared, i found out, and i know. </p>
<p>again, i was completely against the raise. me and 25 others i represented at the GM.  but at the same time, you have to realize the hard work these execs are putting in. close to 40 hours/week easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats too bad with the waterloo FEDS.  but the utsc scsu publicized well.  students were given a month&#039;s notice (if not more) for both the AGM and GM.  it was on the SCSU website (the site that these students seem to be checking so frequently to find other problems).  there were posters around the school and student center.  and a HUGE BANNER in the student center (every student passes this spot when they go to school if they take the bus or get a ride which is 99.9% of the student population who dont live on res. and the 0.1% that DOES live on res, come to the student center for food).  

the scsu needed quorum for this meeting, because last year, they didnt have quorum, so they didint have the general meeting, and they couldnt change any policies (remuneration wasnt on the agenda at that time).  they did everything they possibly could this year to increase the attendance. btw, quorum is 40 members. and we had more than that.  unfortunately, as i said, those opposed to the remuneration policy didnt show up, and didnt vote.  i find it hard to believe that all the students who dont have a problem speaking up agaisnt it now couldnt do it a few weeks ago when it was in their hands to make the decision.  these students didnt have the slightest bit of initiative to what? look up when walking through the student center? these students can write all the BS they want on the facebook groups, in these comments, and by publishing their articles, but their opinions are nullified by the fact that they didnt speak when they were given the opportunity.  as an exec member, what are you gunna do if you hand the mic to someone to say something, and they stay silent? as a leader, you&#039;re going to call the shots based on what you hear around you. and thats what i believe the SCSU did. and they did so rightly.  

i came out. i voted. i spoke. unfortuanely, there werent enough people who believed what i believe, and thats fine.  thats democracy.  so, suck it up. 

i am interested in what goes on in my school, through the good times and the bad. i dont just propagate and bash my executives in bad light and through biased reporting.  

this is a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats too bad with the waterloo FEDS.  but the utsc scsu publicized well.  students were given a month&#8217;s notice (if not more) for both the AGM and GM.  it was on the SCSU website (the site that these students seem to be checking so frequently to find other problems).  there were posters around the school and student center.  and a HUGE BANNER in the student center (every student passes this spot when they go to school if they take the bus or get a ride which is 99.9% of the student population who dont live on res. and the 0.1% that DOES live on res, come to the student center for food).  </p>
<p>the scsu needed quorum for this meeting, because last year, they didnt have quorum, so they didint have the general meeting, and they couldnt change any policies (remuneration wasnt on the agenda at that time).  they did everything they possibly could this year to increase the attendance. btw, quorum is 40 members. and we had more than that.  unfortunately, as i said, those opposed to the remuneration policy didnt show up, and didnt vote.  i find it hard to believe that all the students who dont have a problem speaking up agaisnt it now couldnt do it a few weeks ago when it was in their hands to make the decision.  these students didnt have the slightest bit of initiative to what? look up when walking through the student center? these students can write all the BS they want on the facebook groups, in these comments, and by publishing their articles, but their opinions are nullified by the fact that they didnt speak when they were given the opportunity.  as an exec member, what are you gunna do if you hand the mic to someone to say something, and they stay silent? as a leader, you&#8217;re going to call the shots based on what you hear around you. and thats what i believe the SCSU did. and they did so rightly.  </p>
<p>i came out. i voted. i spoke. unfortuanely, there werent enough people who believed what i believe, and thats fine.  thats democracy.  so, suck it up. </p>
<p>i am interested in what goes on in my school, through the good times and the bad. i dont just propagate and bash my executives in bad light and through biased reporting.  </p>
<p>this is a shame.</p>
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